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• Vlad actually wanted to rule over Humans like a proper leader, he was a major step in the right direction compared to the previous Count of Sylvania. Vlad wanted to become Emperor, had mortal soldiers in his armies and even gave enemies a chance to surrender and serve. Manfred is a bit more tyrannical, though he's not as bad as other Vampire Counts.
  Vlad would, depending on the loyalty of the village, almost certainly execute the rogue Vampire. Manfred would possibly give the Vampire a chance to live, as long as the Vampire is loyal to him and useful. In short, Vlad sees the mortals under him as a noble would view their charges: life under him is miles above life for a peasant in Baguette-Land (Bretonnia). Manfred sees the mortals as chattel, essential to his goals and nation but not as important. Again, it's important to note that Manfred is a better leader for mortals than other Vampire Counts, it's just that Vlad was basically an extra-spoopy Human in terms of his policies while Manfred is very much a member of the Midnight Aristocracy.
• If you are a mortal you would rather live under mannfred you will have a better life expectancy compared to vlad.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• Let's see, an vampire who loved an human woman, or an vampire who is wannabe Nagash.
• Mannfred seems more like an edgy ahole. Vladdy did nothing wrong.

• If you are a mortal you would rather live under mannfred you will have a better life expectancy compared to vlad.

  Not at all. You've got it backwards.
• You have to keep in mind that Vlad ruled in a very different time to Manfred. Although Manfred and Vlad were contemporaries, Manfred was only an acolyte then, a student more interested in learning about magic and mastering his 'curse' than in ruling Sylvannia or playing at Emperor.
  That being said, it is very easy to fall into the trap of saying that Vlad is somehow 'nicer' to his human servants than Manfred. They're both blood-thirsty monsters wearing human skin who need to drink blood to survive. One by definition cannot be 'nicer' or more caring than the other.
  The key point, I think, is that when Vlad ruled he was the first Vampire in the Old World. He had to build a dynasty and an empire from the ground up. Arguments about whether he liked the trappings of his office and leading human soldiers in battle aside, he didn't slaughter the entire population of Sylvannia when he took over for the simple reason that he couldn't. He needed the old hierarchy and infrastructure to build his empire. If he had started off by culling 90% of the Sylvannian peasants and raising armies of the dead off the bat he would have been opposed a lot more strongly than he was, both internally by the other Nobles and externally by the other Elector Counts. So whether Vlad particularly enjoyed playing Noble in his Court or not, it was necessary that he supplanted the other Nobles with Vampires and slowly grew his power base for him to survive. It was a gradual change that transformed Sylvannia into the place it is now, not a sudden one.
  Whereas, by the time Manfred came to power Vlad was dead and Konrad had already run amok through the Empire. Everybody on the outside knew that Sylvannia wasn't quite right anymore. So he didn't need to play the same political games as Vlad did.
  So, although the two vampires do have noticeably different personality types and ambitions, it's also the time in which they ruled that had the biggest impact on how they treat their mortal servants.
• edited February 2018

  If you are a mortal you would rather live under mannfred you will have a better life expectancy compared to vlad.

  Not at all. You've got it backwards.

  No I don't mannfred's not the one who murdered the whole human nobility with his crazy wife. Plus putting peasants in cages. I am quite sure our bald vampire turned peasants into vanpire cultists where they give blood frrely and get on with their lives.
  There is even a extract where a vampiress makes them bathe before shr takes any blood. Also the nobility are largle necromancers and vampires who have quite a degree of autonomy.
  Neither vlad of mannfred care for humans per vlads own words he considers humans to be simple meat. According to end times he cares nothing for sylvania either.
  But of course this forum can't take anything that presents vlad in a bad light despite the information in front of them.
  So it merely comes down to.
  Vlad:cage
  Mannfred:free range
  Both are still blood sucking monsters but if I was a peasant I know what I will prefer. Also neither vampire is altruistic, Vlad is not a 'misunderstood' anti-hero or anything like that, neither is his wife. The are blood-sucking abominations that wish to rule over humans.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  OMG did you read nothing of the previous forum thread or the von carstein trilogy when all you have contributed is a single RPG book! stop spamming the same stuff if you aren't even going to counter. (its your right and all that you can so don't feel discouraged at all)
  Vlad: (caged, when a prisoner of war traveling in a mobile force) (sylvania, a means to an end, an end against chaos) (cult founded during his reign in sylvania) (kills noble becuase they dont contribute or are a threat if he leaves for a long period of time 'hint' vampire wars) (vlad was popular enough to have an army of humans and undead he was so liked) (he was so successful in controlling sylvania that some people believed that he should sit on the imperial throne)
  (ps: how do you think a group of people would respond to this scenario 'hey I'm a blood thirsty cannibal who wants to march an army of darkness made up of your ancestors to take over the empire beginning an eternal night! come join me!)(if mannfred can't get the same cooperation as Vlad could with peasants for christ sake how would you expect mannfred to convince these educated higher class to join when the acceptable ones are probably waiting behind the curtains to eat them)
  Mannfred: (kills a woman on a ship where she has no where to run) (also kills said crew and burns their ship after he gets off) (sylvania, an attachment issue) (improved cult for blood letting fair point) (has authority issues and would kill a room full of nobles if they challaneged that) (also he keeps his fellow carsteins to the sith rule of two compared to vlads bands of vampires so why would mannfred not kill all the human leadership that would be less than practical) (could only have an army of undead because he has no social skills, he is such a great leader that he can only be uninspiring) (Free range just dont cross the border or get interested in politics and I wont kill you)
  Provide one example where mannfred is on active patrol duty keeping bandits and monsters from feeding on 'his people' (I'll giver you a hint they are often killed by something never around when vlad was alive and end with -ghiest-)
  In the end both of them are monsters and deserve the worst fate but only one of the could be so selfish and spiteful enough to split and enrage a fan base all at once and this just proves it.

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• (is warhammer's psychological equal to cersie lannister only no one is there to save him from his intrigue and bs which is why he gets almost no where in his arc unless he serves someone stronger smarter and more connected than him)

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  OMG did you read nothing of the previous forum thread or the von carstein trilogy when all you have contributed is a single RPG book! stop spamming the same stuff if you aren't even going to counter. (its your right and all that you can so don't feel discouraged at all)
  Vlad: (caged, when a prisoner of war traveling in a mobile force) (sylvania, a means to an end, an end against chaos) (cult founded during his reign in sylvania) (kills noble becuase they dont contribute or are a threat if he leaves for a long period of time 'hint' vampire wars) (vlad was popular enough to have an army of humans and undead he was so liked) (he was so successful in controlling sylvania that some people believed that he should sit on the imperial throne)
  Mannfred: (kills a woman on a ship where she has no where to run) (also kills said crew and burns their ship after he gets off) (sylvania, an attachment issue) (improved cult for blood letting) (has authority issues and would kill a room full of nobles if they challaneged that) (also he keeps his fellow carsteins to the sith rule of two compared to vlads bands of vampires so why would mannfred not kill all the human leadership that would be less than practical) (could only have an army of undead because he has no social skills, he is such a great leader that he can only be uninspiring) (Free range just dont cross the border or get interested in politics and I wont kill you)
  In the end both of them are monsters and deserve the worst fate but only one of the could be so selfish and spiteful enough to split and enrage a fan base all at once and this just proves it.

  Actually no the humans did not like serving with him considering the scene where two human guards are in discussion when the thief steal's vlad's ring. With vlad it's either a cause of surrender or become a zombie. They were terrified of Vlad. Also end times reveal's that the vampires in sylvania by large don't like either vlad or mannfred since they are tired of world domination that never works out.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  Quote from id4chan (not an official GW posting just the opinion of another fan)
  'Vlad is notable for actually giving a **** about the peasants under his banner. By protecting them from the dark things that lurk Sylvania's wastelands and putting bandits and invaders to the sword, Vlad ingratiated himself upon the people of his land. By sheparding the commoners, Vlad did more than simply guarantee a source of nourishment; his actions led to extensive loyalty from the populace, and his rulership is widely regarded as the best Sylvania ever had (which speaks volumes as to how badly the Sylvanians in general have it).
  This, along with his actual giving a **** about the opinions of the other races in the End Times: Archaon, means that he is basically the one actually likeable creature in all of Warhammer fantasy battle (aside from Thorgrim, naturally). Period. And he's a badass.'
  https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Vlad_von_Carstein

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• Right I am going to disapprove that humans liked serving with vlad my post got eaten so here it is.
  'I tell ya, I heard summink, Berrin'
  'Nah, it's in year head lad. We're all alone with the dead out here.'
  'That's what I'm saying, man, I heard summink and I'm thinking we should tell someone, because it might be important.'
  'An' what good will that do lad? They'll thank you kindly 'n then they'll wet themselves laughing 'bout you jumpin at ghosts. Ain't none of us happy we're shacked up wif the dear departed so I say keep yer trap shut 'n wait for some other bugger to tell 'em about it's my advice.'
  All these people are forced to serve with a blood-sucking abomination because it's either that or become a zombie while in the RPG according to the information there they would not even be talking in such a fashion since they would be indoctrinated as vampire cultists where it leads into necromnacy etc to rise up the ladder.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  Also using 1d4chan for lore? NEVER DO THAT. Since I just saw that how can I take what you are saying seriously? This is how misinformation bloody spreads in the first place. I bet the dude who put together the warhammer wiki is shaking his head at the fact people use 1d4chan. Dear god.
  Most black library writers have a huge dislike of meme's and those who spread it because it's shown as fact in warhammer fandom circles. Wow.. 1d4chan. Ha! Plus the information you just posted is so inaccurate wow. Vlad only pretended to care because he wanted to be emperor in the aftermath but sigmar catches him out.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  ok what is the source for your quote
  how does the opinion (surprising someone is actually able to have an opinion in vlads time and not mannfred's) of one small group count for the entire population
  have you any information outside of the rpg. I find cannon to be a bit tricky in this setting so often that you really have to diversify your sources to get the idea of what a character is like or has done.

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  Also using 1d4chan for lore? NEVER DO THAT. Since I just saw that how can I take what you are saying seriously? This is how misinformation bloody spreads in the first place. I bet the dude who put together the warhammer wiki is shaking his head at the fact people use 1d4chan. Dear god.
  Most black library writers have a huge dislike of meme's and those who spread it because it's shown as fact in warhammer fandom circles. Wow.. 1d4chan. Ha! Plus the information you just posted is so inaccurate wow. Vlad only pretended to care because he wanted to be emperor in the aftermath but sigmar catches him out.

  did not use it for lore if you read my post i was getting the opinion of a FAN! Adding the voice of someone i never claimed to be a professional.
  of all the things to discuss you only have an opinion of this. attacking the reputation of your fellow peer rather than tackle the subject is not only irrelevant but juvenile.

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that you posted that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.
  edit:Also the RPG book is a newer publication that actually details how mannfred ruled sylvania. To discount an RPG book approved by GW? Where majority of the lore for warhammer fantasy that dissects the setting comes from? Where how they describe how people ACTUALLY live in the empire? People want to dispute that? Alot of the information from the warhammer wiki COMES from the rpg books.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.

  good post I will actually have to go back and analyze this. thanks for pointing this out. however do you have anything else to share?
  (It did say the opinions of other races not just people in general, keep that in mind if I respond to this.)

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister

• never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.

  good post I will actually have to go back and analyze this. thanks for pointing this out. however do you have anything else to share?
  however it did say the opinions of other races not just people in general, keep that in mind if I respond to this.

  Yeah I edited my post detailing my flabbergastery at people discounting the warhammer RPG that details most of the nitty gritty details of the setting down to the population numbers of the factions. The same set of books that a lot of people use to fill out the warhammer wiki? But sure let's follow the opinion and word of 1d4chan. Wow.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that you posted that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.
  edit:Also the RPG book is a newer publication that actually details how mannfred ruled sylvania. To discount an RPG book approved by GW? Where majority of the lore for warhammer fantasy that dissects the setting comes from? Where how they describe how people ACTUALLY live in the empire? People want to dispute that? Alot of the information from the warhammer wiki COMES from the rpg books.

  I was not wanting you to discount it but to branch out your sources. how can you win the argument or at least understand your oponent if you can't see things from their side in this case a more open minded reading of Vlad's material.
  Unless of course you have read all his books

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister

• never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that you posted that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.
  edit:Also the RPG book is a newer publication that actually details how mannfred ruled sylvania. To discount an RPG book approved by GW? Where majority of the lore for warhammer fantasy that dissects the setting comes from? Where how they describe how people ACTUALLY live in the empire? People want to dispute that? Alot of the information from the warhammer wiki COMES from the rpg books.

  I was not wanting you to discount it but to branch out your sources.

  You don't use 1d4chan as a source ever. Just my opinion yes we disagree that's cool but never use it. I personally believe it does a disservice to the setting.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  It was a source for another fans opinion not fact, ok you think it's a diservice i think opinions are wide spread and have their own voice as is the point of opinion. if you don't like it leave like that, as your own opnion. I personally have nothing against them and dont care about them

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that you posted that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.
  edit:Also the RPG book is a newer publication that actually details how mannfred ruled sylvania. To discount an RPG book approved by GW? Where majority of the lore for warhammer fantasy that dissects the setting comes from? Where how they describe how people ACTUALLY live in the empire? People want to dispute that? Alot of the information from the warhammer wiki COMES from the rpg books.

  I was not wanting you to discount it but to branch out your sources.

  You don't use 1d4chan as a source ever. Just my opinion yes we disagree that's cool but never use it. I personally believe it does a disservice to the setting.

  i did not want you to branch out to id4chan but the other gw books with vlad in them. You are connecting two seperate things here
  edit: branch out from the rpg and use endtimes or von carstien trilogy. dont discount the rpg dont take in the opinions of other fans as fact (or perceive that someone on this form is telling you to rely on a wiki)

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  honestly I don't know why I do this anymore. my messages don't seem to be clear, I'm getting no response for the meat of the material and the only thing anyone at this point is actually engaged in is another persons opinion and someone assuming that I was presenting it as a fact. Next thing I know is someone else is going to think I'm a id4ch fan when I barly know the site and nothing new is going to pop up.
  Next thing you know we have another thread like this asking another similar question.
  But truth is Shinros I actually admire your determination and steadfastness. Thanks for staying true to your opinion and if you want to go case by case to break down each pro and con of both vlad and mannfred I'll work with you open minded and ready to reevaluate the characters
  Edit: heck if you can convince me that mannfred is anything outside of an accomplished necromancer and conspirator I'll have a new found respect for him

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  never denied that he did not want to be emperor I only pointed out that it was a means to an end for an end goal you've yet to counter.
  honestly are you even reading? Def leppard pyromania torrent. its large blocks of text and I often feel like I stretch things out for too long but seriously

  I was questioning the 1d4chan that you posted that is trying to present Vlad as someone who care's for other people's opinions. Vlad is just as bad as mannfred he is just older and smarter about it. But save when it comes to being a human and living under one of them? I would pick mannfred in a heart beat.
  edit:Also the RPG book is a newer publication that actually details how mannfred ruled sylvania. To discount an RPG book approved by GW? Where majority of the lore for warhammer fantasy that dissects the setting comes from? Where how they describe how people ACTUALLY live in the empire? People want to dispute that? Alot of the information from the warhammer wiki COMES from the rpg books.

  I was not wanting you to discount it but to branch out your sources.

  You don't use 1d4chan as a source ever. Just my opinion yes we disagree that's cool but never use it. I personally believe it does a disservice to the setting.

  i did not want you to branch out to id4chan but the other gw books with vlad in them. You are connecting two seperate things here

  There is barely any publications of Vlad the main one is vampire wars and end times that's why people keep going back to them. I am comparing what I see there with the information describing how Mannfred ruled Sylvania that's detailed in the RPG.
  Now this topic is dealing with Mortal's and how it would be like to live under either Vlad or Mannfred. Now we have factual information in front of us. Vlad does not care for humans, neither does Mannfred that's clear enough now to rise up the social ladder? You will have better prospects with the bald vampire considering how he changed and improved the infrastructure Vlad set up as Baron said. (hence I liked his post along with other information there)
  Now we have clear information that undead and humans serve under vlad, but with the extract I provided from the vampire wars the humans DON'T like serving with him. They are the walking dead and suck the living's blood. Plus if a blood sucking horror rolled up to your village shouting at you slave for him in life or do it as a zombie what would most people pick? That tirade shows that he is NOT a 'good' or 'Misunderstood' or some sort of anti-hero that people have in their heads.
  Now in that prospect with the information detailed in the rpg showing how Mannfred rules sylvania in the (current) setting you see he turned all the peasants into cultists that think vampires as almost gods. Now in that context in the extract I provided and bolded do you think they will talk like that? No, they wouldn't in context of the information we have in hand.
  They would be most likely talking about how amazing their masters are or getting the chance to touch their cloak going by some parts of the rpg. Now since Mannfred in the lore is messing with necromancy and Nagash's works in a greater capacity than Vlad. That trickled downwards to the peasantry who seek to learn necromancy to increase their prospects, some vampire lords pick up these thrall necromancers to use or perhaps give immortality depends on the baron or even mannfred himself.
  Putting all of this together and I feel this is a character flaw of vlad where he thinks nothing of humans or what they can or could be in terms of necromancy hence why most of his host in the vampire wars was made up of vampires. I mean look at the video game itself Vlad and Isabella's unique ability and building is specialised in using vampires. Just look at Vlad's starting units.
  Since in the end times Mannfred reveal's that he largely only used a page in the summoning because Nagash is like a virus.(he is in a sense) Plus he shaved his head because he believe's all trappings of vanity is a weakness for a vampire.
  To be on point as a human you don't have much wiggle room what would you prefer? Being thought of nothing as meat(vlad's own words plus ganz does see Vlad just see's humans as prey) to be used or discarded or indoctrinated(you would not know better) and have a chance to climb the sylvania social ladder? Which is preferable? In the end most humans would want to live in the empire. Oh and I want to add an observation you know why I think mannfred focuses more on undead? Cause most of the peasants who are worth a dam become necromancers so why have human soldiers?
  To end with you can take the 'opinion' of 1d4chan seriously that's up to you but most people I know who take the lore seriously would raise an eyebrow or laugh. I mean you can go to the warhammer lore thread and ask Izzy what he thinks of 1d4chan as a credible source but I am quite aware of what his answer is going to be.
  

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  Alright I stand corrected on the subject of living in sylvania. with one exception, in order to climb that latter under vlad you would have to show unique qualities that would encourage him or his other goons to turn you into a vampire. that is your ticket in as he and his followers did believe you had to be strong and capable in protecting yourself (in contrast to when a village elder came to him begging for protection. Vlad would have what is his but won't tolerate weak underlings). Which I feel like Mannfred would think to do as well however he would chose people easier to control.
  and what you think is a lack of care for humans i believe is him not caring for the weak. both he and mannfred see humans as cattle but why I think he kill the rest of the nobles at that party is that he had already profiled all the nobles and wanted to cut away the vanity of sylvania.
  but if you do think about it mannfred is more precise with how he deals with all the smaller elements of sylvania while vlad has to be vexed into interest if it has no long term strategic purpose since sylvania was not just a position for sovereignty but an ends.

  Von Carstein
  Dark Elfs
  Warriors of Chaos
  'Those are brave men out there! Lets go kill them!'-Tyrion Lannister
• edited February 2018

  Alright I stand corrected on the subject of living in sylvania. with one exception, in order to climb that latter under vlad you would have to show unique qualities that would encourage him or his other goons to turn you into a vampire. that is your ticket in as he and his followers did believe you had to be strong and capable in protecting yourself (in contrast to when a village elder came to him begging for protection. Vlad would have what is his but won't tolerate weak underlings). Which I feel like Mannfred would think to do as well however he would chose people easier to control.

  Oh yes but would a peasant have a chance to display any unique ability in front of vlad? That's the question. Just look at those he normally turns, they are either knights, witch hunters or nobles. That's what we have seen so far. What I feel kinda screw's vlad over is he is waaay too free with the blood kiss.
  One of his on people who he turned tried to kill him in the book or take over(need to check), of course he had the ring but yeah.
  While mannfred his outlook is 1. are they easy to control and 2. how useful are they? Nagash thought under the same lines hence why Vlad stated both he and Mannfred are similar. Rank does not enter the equation for him just look at Helman Ghorst he is not a vampire but he was useful enough for Mannfred to teach and show a part of the book of nagash to him. Do remember ghorst was just a bloody farmer starting out and now he leads a host of undead per the bidding of mannfred in order to revive his brothers. (which will never happen)
  Now he is not a vampire but I would imagine he would have some clout with the baron's of sylvania considering his relationship with mannfred.

  Nagash: When Nagash reaches out to crush his enemies, it is with a million hands. When Nagash seeks out his prey, it is with a million eyes...
• edited February 2018

  well no posner did not try to kill him, he was just as shocked when vlad got decapitated and once he tried to force his wife to join him and declare himself leader he was kinda screwed.
  Vlad's moment in history of being able to give the blood kiss to an assortment of followers was what was great about him. It was almost as if he was able to harness a tempest of followers and play to their strengths and direct them to his foes from the front. Which is why there was an entire book dealing with the massive fallout from it. And why mannfred is even around at all to begin with.
  Though would the same plan work twice. no and even he knew that. Becuase he took on gelt in order to stretch out his power. and even before he was known as vlad he was the one to train Van Hal so mannfred is not the only one to train a human to become a necromancer.
  Mannfred works best during peace time, and vlad when it comes to the chaos of war in my opinion. Mannfred controls where Vlad tames is where you can really draw the line.

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• well no posner did not try to kill him, he was just as shocked when vlad got decapitated and once he tried to force his wife to join him and declare himself leader he was kinda screwed.
  Vlad's moment in history of being able to give the blood kiss to an assortment of followers was what was great about him. It was almost as if he was able to harness a tempest of followers and play to their strengths and direct them to his foes from the front. Which is why there was an entire book dealing with the massive fallout from it. And why mannfred is even around at all to begin with.
  Though would the same plan work twice. no and even he knew that. Becuase he took on gelt in order to stretch out his power. and even before he was known as vlad he was the one to train Van Hal so mannfred is not the only one to train a human to become a necromancer.
  Mannfred works best during peace time, and vlad when it comes to the chaos of war in my opinion

  Now this I agree with, Vlad makes even the point to Mannfred that he is trying to present himself as a warlord(he is not. Mannfred is a bookworm at the end of the day he is not an amazing fighter either) hence Mannfred's method of warfare is cruel and vindictive but hey Nagash likes it. Still I am with you that Vlad is a better war ruler the issue as you said if something happens to him everything collapses.
  One thing I do like is both of them were somewhat salty with Nagash putting Neferata in charge of sylvania the reason why is because as vlad said the remnant tomb kings would not listen to anyone else plus she knows their ways.

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Vlad Von Carstein During End Times

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With Vlad and Konrad defeated, now is the time for the most dangerous vampire count of them all to take centre stage. Strong, cunning and resourceful, Mannfred von Carstein assembles his undead army and prepares to strike at the heart of the Empire. Vlad and Isabella, being the progenitor of the von Carstein line, only gave blood kiss to five individuals personally: Fritz, Hans, Pieter, Konrad and Mannfred von Carstein. As Fritz, Hans, Pieter and, most famously, Konrad are dead, Mannfred is the last remaining vampire of the von Carstein line 'sired' by Vlad.